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XahGee
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460. PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I might wait a little while longer for the DTs because
1) I don't have the money for a CF or BS right now (I will later.)
2) The betas of the DT600 are suppost to be coming out very soon.
3) If there is a pad that might be as good as the CF or BS with 1/3 of the cost and without me having to make it, then I can wait (a little while longer).
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461. PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just hope the reason tofu isnt here is because he is too busy working on the pads and nothing bad happened to him

..or there always is school, but who needs that when there is DDR E15.gif
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462. PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calc and APUSH have been pretty demanding. I've been coming here on weekends though.

Anyway, here's a quick update, since it seems people haven't completely forgotten me:

The prototype finally got me a heavy AAA (A thing called LOVE, sightread too), so I started on the beta model about a month and a half ago. I started by constructing a much more precise template, so now every pad and panel that comes out of my garage will be 100% compatible. Unfortunately, my progress has been interrupted by severe weather, because my garage doesn't have walls to it. I was originally scheduled to have 2 additional platforms fully functional by December 15th for a release party, but a power outage at 8pm December 14th interrupted my soldering.

The blueprints for the DT600's are basically finished; I've been working on translating them to AutoCAD, but since I only have access to that during my AutoCAD class, that's been slow. If anyone requests them via email or PM, I'll gladly scan and send them. They're far more precise and professional than my prior blueprints have been. I also am drafting up instructions to build a universal DTG control box.


My winter break started today, and here are some projects I have:
1. Draft up an official documentation explaining what Dancing Tofu Gaming is, how I'm connected to it, how distributors are connected to it, and how I won't get sued if Konami doesn't like it.
2. Develop some basic user-friendly HTML or flash tools for ordering stuff.
3. Get the DT600's built, reviewed, and sold.

Those are things I intend to do soon.

2008 stuff:
-Organise some proper distributors
-Commission the completion of a DT200 by said distributors
-Start developing additional controllers (Joystick ASC's, Pop'n ASC's, et cetera)
-construct some portfolios (one for my engineering, one for my games)
-get some collegin'
-build some StepMania and MAME Cabinets


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For legal purposes, the DT500's, DT700's, and DT800's might not be doable. The DT600 and DT200 are both button designs, so I can work out of getting sued over those. The DT500, DT700, and DT800 are all pad-related designs. Here's my plan for those:

DT500 (custom models)
Phase into DT200's. No tapeswitches, but who knows, maybe the Hydraulics sensors will work better anyway.

DT700 (duct tape foam pads)
Eliminate, it wasn't a serious idea anyway

DT800 (full metal pads)
Change to DT630: FuLLMeTaL

Also, while they will refer to dance pads here, on the site, all designs will be referred to as button designs. People have attempted to compate DTG and Beat Gear many times, which is flattering, but discouraging. Beat Gear died because konami got scared and sued, and Beat Gear had no argument to put up. They infringed on patents. We intend to use designs only as requested by clients, so we won't be illegally marketing another company's product. This shouldn't affect costs at all.
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463. PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I think that cleared up everything that I was confused about. Thanks Tofu, and I'm glad you are still working on this. Good Luck! E13.gif
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464. PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I wanted to address some of your concerns directly, but my browser crashed

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1) I don't have the money for a CF or BS right now (I will later.)

Yes, the DT600 is far cheaper than its peers, but be aware that the beta models have had issues and that the more expensive pads are less prone to surprisebuttsecks attacks such as bowing panels, overdrilled holes, underdrilled holes, and poor alignment.
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2) The betas of the DT600 are suppost to be coming out very soon.

Very true, but they were also supposed to come out very soon when I started this over a year ago. Certainly, they're much closer to that level of completion now, but don't stand on one foot waiting for them until I can get something more definite.
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3) If there is a pad that might be as good as the CF or BS with 1/3 of the cost and without me having to make it, then I can wait (a little while longer).

Apples and oranges, man. The DT600 is designed to be light, affordable, and playable. The CF is designed to be heavy, snazzy, and playable, and the BS is designed to be heavy, arcade-like, and playable. It's likely to be more similar to a TX as far as feel, but hopefully I can get you the sensitivity of a BS/CF (a good one).
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465. PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if I have the time to distribute if you also mean by make, BUT, if somehow the shipping prices get low as heck, I could get them shipped here and sent.

I am guessing the pad demand is so low I just need to sell at most on normal times 2 rigs a week, and if I get some special order maybe 5.
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466. PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DancingTofu(SMC) wrote:
surprisebuttsecks attacks

Heh, buttsecks.

Anyway, I know that it will probably take a while for the DT's to be completed, but since I am in no definate need of a home pad, I will probably wait anyway regardless of if I have the money for a CF or BS.

And as I said before, good luck. E13.gif
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467. PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XahGee wrote:
DancingTofu(SMC) wrote:
surprisebuttsecks attacks

Heh, buttsecks.

Anyway, I know that it will probably take a while for the DT's to be completed, but since I am in no definate need of a home pad, I will probably wait anyway regardless of if I have the money for a CF or BS.

And as I said before, good luck. E13.gif
Here at Dancing Tofu Gaming, we have a strict policy of professional language. Jargons and slang are required at a precise frequency for maximal product appeal. E15.gif

Thank you for the kind wishes; I'll do my best to keep your wait as short as possible.


Dance Dance Revolution, yes, distribution (which I want to rename, but haven't figured out a better term for yet) does, in the happy, perfect sense that I'd like it to be, involve the fabrication of the platforms. However, I think what you're interested in doing would be fabulous, just not right now. Currently, the daily product output is .002 units. Hopefully, we'll be able to get a lot more out there soon, but for the time being, I'm really looking for people who can build them more than people who can sell them. Shoot me and email ( thatlatu@gmail.com ) any time and I'd be happy to discuss it with you.






'sup bishez
I came up with a new sensor design for the DT600's. This will be the keystone for the design and should hopefully allow for a smooth release and nearly 4 times faster construction. I'll be collecting materials for this tomorrow, January 7th and will immediately begin working on these sensors.
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468. PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're curious this may be worth a read.
http://www.pnwbemani.net/smf/index.php?topic=595.0

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Cross posting in case he gets it deleted.
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pads are recreational

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Not if I make money off of them. This is precisely why I asked you to stay out of my business life; you're too negative and have unrealistic expectations. You know full well that I'm not building these pads so I have something to play on. If that was all I cared about, I would have just fixed up my tx's and been on my merry way. Besides that, this topic isn't about my pads, my life, or my questionable budgeting and marketing methods; it's about MHF2. kthx.

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What you deem as unrealistic is most basic in others' eyes. You're a good person, but you don't do things. You talk. And sometimes you talk and you have no clue about what you're talking about. The whole pads thing was botched from the start because you had no clue as to the complexity of the operation you were attempting to undertake. In the end you strike me as someone who doesn't actually want to build pads but wants attention or some sort of status as a community figure. I'd advise for you to improve on your credibility before touting on how unethical and unrealistic I am. I've built pads and you haven't. For you to expect me to build pads for you for essentially no compensation is proposterous and downright laughable. I've read your thread on DDRFreak and it boils down to your whole buisness plan relying on others to do hard work while you do nothing. You really don't take yourself or this "buisness" very seriously. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the gaia social games you play don't have any sort of sway in real buisness.


Re-edit: This post is not made as a flame. This post is essentially made to inform people that this whole DTG scheme is basically a social scam to gain friends and influence through pads he knows he'll never make. It's cool to be friends with him, but don't expect pads. If you take anything away from this post it should be that.
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469. PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of us already knew that.

Sorry tofu, but you haven't done jack, and it's been like what, a year? I really was hoping something would come out of this, but clearly, nothing has. (Waits for tofu to bust an uber-post with websites and pads available for purchase.)
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470. PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i agree with orangeJuice here: i was expecting more, and it would have been great


if anything tofu should have just started with like, commission based or something..or just "deal" locally


that being said, this thread is just becoming more and more obsolete.
its basically a false thread for anyone who seriously wants an affordable, good quality, metal pad...but really, the only one like that is homebrew anyway E13.gif

anyway, sorry to tofu, but if he doesnt get anything up soon, hes kinda screwed E2.gif
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471. PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OrangeJuice wrote:
Most of us already knew that.
There are always people who are new and will see this thread. I am sort of actually requesting a lock, because he has openly stated that his biz plan depends on me and a few others helping and we definately have no plans of doing so. This thread is a kind of false hope, and I just want to clear that up with anyone who may not understand that.

I had no clue that I was supposed to make pads for him. He makes it out to sound like me and like one other persons are helping with "distribution" (aka actually doing work) and is working on getting more people for that without even having a solid product.

This is not a personal assault on him either. He essentially made friends with me because he knew I was skilled in building pads so I could build pads for him. I didn't know that, and upon reading this thread that is clearly his intent. It doesn't bother me personally as much as proffessionally. People use people all the time, but to throw someone else's name out there and make it sound like they're letting you down is totally innapropriate. I don't like it how it's been made out to sound like I'm an "employee" of his. I would never work for an egotistical project named after a person in such a silly way.

I would think it'd be cool if he sold his pad designs. That would be a help to the community to leave his plans in hands that actually know what they are doing. Unfortunately, the majority of these plans are so unrealistic that there is no financially feasible way to support the building of these pads without increasing the price dramatically.

I could go on and on, so if anyone needs me to further clarify/debunk DTG let me know, as I am glad and more than willing to do so.
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I really don't see the point of bringing that up though, clearly this thread was dead before you brought it back up, and honestly, I doubt anyone cares. It would've been nice if any of this actually happened, but I had no intentention of buying a DT anyways.

It's funny though, to think I took you seriously, before you made that BS thread.
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473. PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like my chances of ever getting a decent PIU metal pad are over....

whatevz.
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474. PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uhh..doesnt mymybox make a PIU pad?

and also, i can make one if you are *that* desperate.. E13.gif
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475. PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt, it would have been polite of you to at least include my reply before stating an analysis.

Anyway, I've been trying to post this for about a week, but it's finals week and I wasn't able to access DDRFreak last weekend.


I am also requesting this to be locked, with the understanding that I intend to reorganise and reassess my resources. I started this as a naive 15-year-old looking for attention and self-worth. I got attention, and realised that it wasn't going to be something that would bring me a sense of success, and I got self-worth; now the initial DTG is essentially obsolete.

I want to clarify that I have no intention of quitting. I'm undergoing a process to eliminate this blemish because Matt (zeppy) has pushed me to be more professional. After reading some books on management and development projects, I can see that everything I've done has been wrong, and everything I'd like to do is right.

I don't intend to let the domain or hosting expire for my site; I intend to make it a site targetted towards homebrew enthusiasts until I can pull this project through. I'm working on developing a proper team for this, and I'm really excited about starting off with a clean slate. I hope I will still be able to show my face here as this project goes underground, and I want to let people know that I am now wholly interested in this community and this market.


I owe a huge apology to everyone who's sat through this with me, giving their time and faithful support, including those who have withdrawn it now. I sincerely hope that I can compensate you all in the future.



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slvrshdw wrote:
uhh..doesnt mymybox make a PIU pad?

and also, i can make one if you are *that* desperate.. E13.gif


i'd never trust mymybox. One of my friends got one of those and it broke after 4 months. He currently uses it as a coffee table.

LUckily, theres a PIU premiere 2 about 8 minutes away from me now(soon to be NX2, hopefully) and the pads and everything are great, so i dont think i need a PIU pad anymore.
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I won't say I told you so.

I'll just say I saw this coming.

Any petitions to keep this thread unlocked for further discussion can be received at my PM.
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Get out of Lock card issued.

Have fun.
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Thanks. Maybe now I'll be able to actually pay my webhosting fees. E10.gif
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