Do you agree with !'s rerating?

[Tyrgannus]

ROXOR didn't say this, however it also didn't say the ratings were meant for scoring. They tend to make more sense as pass ratings though, because certain songs like Lipstick Kiss just don't work as 9s and CHarlene wouldn't work as an 11
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

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[AA Bob]

[J. S. Mill]

[AA Bob]

If Roxor rated songs based on scoring difficulty, offsync songs would have higher foot ratings, and the foot ratings would be different in general. For example, I find HotN to be easier to score on than Utopia since the latter song has the part with the repeated right arrows (and other parts where orange notes are thrown in seemingly at random). So if I were to rate those two songs based on scoring difficulty, I'd make HotN an 11 and Utopia a 12. If you feel that I'm not good enough at ITG to be able to accurately judge the songs' relative scoring difficulties, then what good is a rating scale of scoring difficulty? Is it just something that LilQ and Damien would put together that would be largely useless to 99% of ITG players?

Also, it seems to me that scoring difficulty differs more from person to person than passing difficulty. If a song has a weird rhythm, a good visual player can do well on it without actually "understanding" what they're stepping to, but an audial player of approximately the same skill/stamina level would probably do significantly worse. Among really good players, there would only be a small difference, but as I said in the above paragraph, a rating scale created for those players would be pretty worthless. Even among less-skilled players, the difference is much less extreme in terms of passing difficulty. Two players of approximately equal skill/stamina will probably do about the same on a song they both find hard to pass.

Furthermore, it just seems to make sense that foot ratings are for people who have never played a song before or can't pass everything. If you can't pass everything, foot ratings are a good indicator of whether a song is worth trying or whether it's beyond your ability level. Once you can get good scores and pick any song without worrying about failing, how do the foot ratings help you? You probably know what's hard to score on and what isn't, and you probably care a lot more about your Expert tri-star (or quad-star) count than how well you can do at each different block level.
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So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)?

[J. S. Mill]

[Tyrgannus]

In response to "How about my rating system" (I-Score), it is very accurate at determining the difficulty of scoring a song. Sure, some players may differ a little, but it generally holds true to most high end players. It's good.

However....

How exactly would a new player know what songs he could pass/fail if all ratings were solely based on scoring? He would look at Lipstick Kiss and say "Oooh, a 10. I can't do that", but he probably could because it is a 9 passwise and a 10 scorewise.

In other words, the most effective way to score songs is with 2 ratings. The primary rating for scoring (For the new players that don't know what they can pass) and a secondary rating reflecting your I-score or some variation of that for the more elite players (Hey, I can *** this).

Unfortunately, while this solution would prove beneficial to all players, it would provide more work on RoxoR rating everything twice and they would have to change their interface around a little to accomodate the new rating system. Also, we would just get even more threads bickering about (No way is Euphoria a 13 on the score rating, my Pandemonium score is higher lolol) along with the already present (OMG Summer is so easy 12 plz, but Determinator is impossible, like seriously 13 lolol)

Those are my two cents
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

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[GotACoolName]

July actually isn't very tiring, IMHO.
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[IHYD.Blake]

Thats because you have stamina/energy/whatever all you scientific ITG players in this thread want to call it.
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[GotACoolName]

Not really. I can barely even pass Hardcore Symphony 'cause of stamina.
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[Tyrgannus]

I too have noticed that July isn't as tiring as it seems, or should be.

800+ steps littered with candles right? Well, for some unknown reason (I honestly have no idea why), it seems to require less stamina than half the 12s, Monolith, and Pandy Hard, not to mention EVERY 13.

It doesn't make sense to me really, but it just seems to be that way. July is tiring, yes, but not OMG I'M DYING type tiring
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

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[Kaku]

Bang in my opinion should stay a 12. If VerTex stays as 12 then Bang isn't too far off. Most people I know have a higher score on VerTex than Bang. Delirium is easier as well, and I know people who can *** delirium but just manage a 97.xx on Bang. I personally have a higher score on Delirium than Bang as well. Although Bang might be easier to pass (well maybe not on a sightread since you might run into those mines in the middle) it's definitely worthy of a 12 score-wise.

Summer should be a 12 though. LOTS of people I know have a higher score on Summer than Bloodrush/Euphoria/Determinator and those are 12s. I personally have 94.40 on Summer compared to 91.93 on Bloodrush, and my Summer score is even higher than my Euphoria, Monolith, Tell, Determinator, HS, Energizer etc etc which are all lower rated. As with most people's opinions this is coming from a personal standpoint. I don't find speed a problem at all (which is probably why my Determinator score > my HS score).

Passing-wise I passed Summer on my 1st try while Determinator took 2 and Bloodrush took 7. I tried them all on the 1st day I played ITG2 and played them all previously on keyboard. I still find Bloodrush harder.
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[Tyrgannus]

I passed ! 2nd try, and it was my first 12 in the arcade. It is very easy TO PASS for a 12, but it has some scoring issues.

I don't believe the majority of players feel the way you do about Summer, honestly. Most people do find it very fast and fairly tiring (I think most people say there is no stamina factor, but I don't know why, it has over 800 steps.) I personally find it hard to pass, but again, it is personal opinion.

Oh, and you are a rare case if you're Determinator score is better than your HS, because I know statistically that happens rarely......

You're just kind of a weird player
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

[Chaos Master]

i haven't decided whether i agree on !'s rerate yet... i always thought it was on the border of 11 & 12...
but Queen of Light needs to be a 9. it's way easier than many 9s, especially Zodiac and D-code.

[Tyrgannus]

[triad.spacefight]

QOL is a 10. 9's don't have assloads of hands as well as tricky footwork to position your self properly to do them right.

Hell, it's an 11 on poopy pads. :O
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