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Asymptote
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40.  Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ssvegeta1010 wrote: | | Birdie should just be a 9, for the fact that all expert charts HAVE to be 9 and up. |
Why? Is the game gonna crash or something if Birdie is, you know, rated accurately? (8, and an easy one in fact)
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#Infinity
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| 41. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ssvegeta1010 wrote: | On a Day like Today is hard, but not consistent enough for a 10 rating.
Charlene should stay as an introduction to 11s and mines.
Know Your Enemy, I'm not sure about. |
- On A Day Like Today I highly recommend to be a 10 because long runs with a ton of twisting is just way too much for 9 foot players to really handle.
- Charlene is far too easy to stay an 11, especially when several 10's are harder and more tiring.
- Know Your Enemy has enough twists, jumps, runs, and consistency to be extremely draining and to deserve a rating of 11, not to mention it's harder overall than Robotix and even more tiring (though generally easier to pass) than Xuxa and Utopia.
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GotACoolName
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| 42. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Asymptote wrote: | | ssvegeta1010 wrote: | | Birdie should just be a 9, for the fact that all expert charts HAVE to be 9 and up. |
Why? Is the game gonna crash or something if Birdie is, you know, rated accurately? (8, and an easy one in fact) |
Note that every Expert chart is rated 9 or higher.
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Tyrgannus
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| 43. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| John Locke wrote: | | D-Code can be a nine, but then so should Zodiac, Wanna Do, Fleadh and Tribal Style. |
I know other's have addressed this, but I feel led to as well.
Ratings generally measure the difficult it is to pass a song. By the time you're worried about scoring 10s and up, you're probably quite familiar with the difficulty of all the end songs and to some extent you disregard the rating. It becomes a huge category of "Hey, I can pass everything".
Score tends to coincide with the passing difficulty ladder, but not always. Wanna Do is quite easy to score as you have addressed, but it has runs at the speed of Max300, and well, few people just passing 9s could keep up. Wanna Do is definitely easier to score on than stuff like Lipstick Kiss, Liquid Moon, and several other 9s, but it remains difficult to pass nevertheless.
D-code should be a 9 and it thankfully will be.
Zodiac already is a 9 since the rerate
Fleadh is quite borderline. Pathetically easy to score, but may trip up some 9-block players. I wouldn't care too much either way.
And yes, Tribal Style should definitely be a 9. It's very, VERY easy to pass and even easier if possible to score. 9 plz
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Asymptote
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| 44. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| GotACoolName, God of BBQ wrote: | | Asymptote wrote: | | ssvegeta1010 wrote: | | Birdie should just be a 9, for the fact that all expert charts HAVE to be 9 and up. |
Why? Is the game gonna crash or something if Birdie is, you know, rated accurately? (8, and an easy one in fact) |
Note that every Expert chart is rated 9 or higher. |
....and?
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why Birdie HAS to be a 9, and saying "because all other expert charts are 9" doesn't answer my question. In other words, I'm asking "why do all expert charts have to be rated 9 when there is at least one that is clearly not a 9?"
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| 45. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Asymptote wrote: | | GotACoolName, God of BBQ wrote: | | Asymptote wrote: | | ssvegeta1010 wrote: | | Birdie should just be a 9, for the fact that all expert charts HAVE to be 9 and up. |
Why? Is the game gonna crash or something if Birdie is, you know, rated accurately? (8, and an easy one in fact) |
Note that every Expert chart is rated 9 or higher. |
....and?
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why Birdie HAS to be a 9, and saying "because all other expert charts are 9" doesn't answer my question. In other words, I'm asking "why do all expert charts have to be rated 9 when there is at least one that is clearly not a 9?" |
I agree completely. Why can't an Expert chart be an 8? Just because every expert chart to date has been 9 or higher doesn't mean that an expert chart CAN'T be lower.
Another reason ratings need to go. People get too retarded about what should and shouldn't be allowed to be rated what in a specific category. "Omg 9s on medium are too hard wtf, omg expert songs cant be 7s."
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| 46. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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There are many Expert 9s that should be 8s.
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| 47. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think it should remain a twelve. It has tricky rhythms, some trills, hands, and hard crossovers. Sure, an easy 12, but a 12 nonetheless.
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#Infinity
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| 48. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the only Expert 9 that really comes to mind for me is Birdie. Even some of the other easiest 9's have tricks in them that show why they deserve their rating, such as the 16th bursts and weird hand in No Princess, as well as all the 16ths in the beginning of Psalm Pilot, later followed by holds that force you to twist you body in weird directions. Birdie's basically just 8th streams with hardly any chaos at all.
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| 49. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Same with Why Me.
Perfect is considerably harder than Why Me (No, I'm not joking)
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| AA Bob wrote: | | Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9. |
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#Infinity
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| 50. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Why Me seems enough like an easy 9 to me. Its streams really get quite twisty, not to mention it gets pretty heavy with chaos near the end. Maybe it could be an 8, but unlike Birdie, it seems okay being rated a 9. Birde being a 9 is a complete no-no.
And Perfect to you is harder than Why Me? No way. Maybe to score on, but definitely not to pass, which determines difficulty ratings instead, anyway.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 51. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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The slowdown of Birdie is what makes it hard.
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#Infinity
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| 52. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| George W. Bush wrote: | | The slowdown of Birdie is what makes it hard. |
Yeah right, sarcasm indeed. There's like what, only three steps during the whole slowdown, not to mention they're all in half note patterns? Like that's really going to make it any harder.
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| 53. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think Lipstick Kiss, Hip Hop Jam, Ize Pie, ROM-eo & Juli8, and This Is Rock & Roll deserve to be 8s as much as Birdie does, keeping in mind that songs are rated by passing difficulty rather than scoring.
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| 54. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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! would easily be an 11.5 if such a rating existed, but for now, it should be an 11. it's slow, but it's technical. it's not exactly up to par with the rest of the 12s, either. in terms of difficulty, it's right on par with harder 11s like hardcore symphony and july.
charlene is a 11, be it a low-end one. deal with it, guys.
summer should be a 12. the only section that makes it remotely worthy of its 13 rating is the stream-jump section right after the first run.
bloodrush is a doggy (edit: wtf, they censor that word?), but it's still a 12.
d-code is super easy and roxor is smart for rerating it a 9.
birdie should stay a 9. there is a tricky slowdown where you are forced to read an overwhelming set of freeze arrows that requires technical footwork. it might almost be worthy of a low-end 10 for that reason alone. |
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| 55. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 1 wrote: | | summer should be a 12. the only section that makes it remotely worthy of its 13 rating is the stream-jump section right after the first run. |
You forgot the whole ending.
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| 56. Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| 1 wrote: | | ! would easily be an 11.5 if such a rating existed, but for now, it should be an 11. it's slow, but it's technical. it's not exactly up to par with the rest of the 12s, either. in terms of difficulty, it's right on par with harder 11s like hardcore symphony and july. |
! is more then twice as hard as July. (I-Rank 99 to 155)
| 1 wrote: | | charlene is a 11, be it a low-end one. deal with it, guys. |
Charlene is easier then every ten in the game but two. It's also easier to pass then several tens, for most people.
| 1 wrote: | | summer should be a 12. the only section that makes it remotely worthy of its 13 rating is the stream-jump section right after the first run. |
What's your score on Summer?
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| 57. Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| John Locke wrote: | | ! is more than twice as hard as July. (I-Rank 99 to 155) |
remember that the ratings are very rough and attempt to describe how difficult the song is to pass. ! may be difficult to score on (twice as difficult as july, like you said), but it takes almost all technique and zero stamina. july is much easier to score on while being physically demanding.
edit: just to clarify, i don't have a personal bias against ! (the expert steps are actually my favorite in the game), i just think it more appropriately fits the 11 rating.
| John Locke wrote: | | What's your score on Summer? |
84.xx
a little on the low end, but now i realize its a score i should fix next time i play 
| GotACoolName wrote: | | You forgot the whole ending. |
oh yah i totally forgot man thx for reminding me!! |
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IHYD.Blake
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| 58. Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| #Infinity wrote: | | George W. Bush wrote: | | The slowdown of Birdie is what makes it hard. |
Yeah right, sarcasm indeed. There's like what, only three steps during the whole slowdown, not to mention they're all in half note patterns? Like that's really going to make it any harder. |
No im serious, thats probably why Roxor rated it a 9 and not a hard mode 8.
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| 59. Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| 1 wrote: | | remember that the ratings are very rough and attempt to describe how difficult the song is to pass. |
Where did ROXOR say this?
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