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20. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Its just gonna make me pick it and fail. _________________
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21. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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John Locke wrote: |
Someone please tell me they are re-rating Charlene. |
Charlene as a 10?
(Assuming thats what you were aiming for.)
I can't see it sitting down there with Queen of Light and Tribal Style, not even Temple of Boom for that matter.
But at the same time...I can see it with Know Your Enemy. |
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22. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: |
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#Infinity wrote: | FTG_ZMatrix wrote: | Is there like a list of the reratings I can see? |
Yeah, here's the list so far:
D-Code --> 9
! --> 11
Summer ~Speedy Mix~ --> 12
Rumored:
Bloodrush --> 13
Reratings I want:
Birdie --> 8
On A Day Like Today --> 10
Charlene --> 10
Know Your Enemy --> 11
Anyway, I personally think ! should stay a 12. It may be easy compared to songs like Tell and Delirium, but it has lots of chaotic rhythms, 24ths, weird jumps, and twists that put it in a completely different league than July and Monolith. |
Wait..Summer as a 12? Fuck no. The 16th death run at 185 bpm is hard enough, but the seven 8th jumps is just KILLER on my stamina. This is a song that deserves its 13 for the deathrun and jumps... I totally agree with D-Code being a 9, though...it's an easy 9 at that. Also, Bloodrush is a hard 12, but not really good enough to be a 13...I admit I can't do the 32nd part to save my life, but hell... the crossovers in the rest of it aren't that bad.
It's really hard to decide whether ! should be a 12 or 11, as it's sort of too easy to be a 12 but still a bit too hard to be considered an 11. (Monolith, kthx) _________________
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23. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | ! --> 11
Summer ~Speedy Mix~ --> 12 |
This can't be true... Summer is easily a 13.
16th (185bpm) run followed by jumps followed by 7 fast jumps followed by another run of 16ths.. How could this possibly be a 12?
!
Tricky/weird crossovers/retarded roll with a bunch of mines to jump over/strange patterns...
I should stay a 12.
These have to be rumors... -. - |
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24. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Da Bar wrote: | John Locke wrote: | Someone please tell me they are re-rating Charlene. | why? it's easy yeah, but i think it still deserves it's 11 rating. |
Know Your Enemy and Hillbilly Hardcore are both quite harder than Charlene to me. Charlene is so easy it's not even anywhere close to the difficulty of even Xuxa and Utopia, as its runs patterns are extremely basic. KYE's are complex and twisty, while HH's are a bit tricky and have quite a few candles thrown in. Most of the song is just breaks, yet KYE and HH are pretty much consistent throughout, except for a few light parts in HH, but it's still one of the most draining 10's, anyway, so it's not surprise Charlene's also far less tiring than most of the harder 10's. The only reason it got rated an 11 is because of the mines, which for the most part aren't even that bad. _________________
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25. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: |
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They're not rumors.
Hmm...I think Roxor thinks that since these songs are getting ***'ed and poopy that they're not hard enough to fit into their original ratings. But in reality it's the players that are getting better, and not the songs somehow becoming easier. _________________
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26. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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#Infinity wrote: | Charlene's also far less tiring than most of the harder 10's. The only reason it got rated an 11 is because of the mines, which for the most part aren't even that bad. |
I have more trouble with Charlene than Determinator or Pandy I really think the mines are the difference in making it an 11 and that It deserves such a ranking because of newer players such as myself having trouble with mines. _________________
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27. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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It should definately stay a 12. I mean people underrate its difficulty. It's actually a rather tiring song... _________________
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28. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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First of all, Summer is staying a 13. It's a stupid rumor, and I'm pretty sure Ryan has confirmed it false. Whereas Ryan has confirmed that D-Code is not a 10.
Plaguefox wrote: | I'm not sure what wires were crossed in that conversation between Naota and I, but what I meant to tell him was that Summer ~Speedy Mix~ was downgraded to a 2. Hell, it may have been a typo: it's reasonable to assume my finger slipped when I pressed 2 and it hit 1 as well. Two becomes twelve, right?
And then, back in reality, I remember that Summer is a 13 and--so far as I am aware--has always been a 13. There was a situation where one of the trade shows had a mislabeled Summer ~Speedy Mix~ and the rumor perpetuated itself since then.
I'm fairly certain it was confirmed false a few different times but it keeps popping up like Atom Bomb, Cosmic Unconsciousness and ZiGZaG's Identity Crisis. |
So everyone shut up about Summer already. It's a 13.
I'm not to sure about !, but if it does change to an 11, I would agree. Easiest 12 by far, and numerous 11's are harder.... Pandemonium hard, Hardcore Symphony, July, Monolith.
Either way though, if it was a 12, I wouldn't mind either. Not all ratings can be perfect, and I know lots of people do in fact think its a 12. The only rating in the game that I think is seriously messed up is Pandemonium hard. I think I'm just abnormally bad at this one, but it feels more like a hard 12 to me.
Marquistadorous wrote: | It should definately stay a 12. I mean people underrate its difficulty. It's actually a rather tiring song... |
and Pandemonium, Hardcore Symphony, July and Monolith aren't?
Andrew^2 wrote: | I have more trouble with Charlene than Determinator or Pandy I really think the mines are the difference in making it an 11 and that It deserves such a ranking because of newer players such as myself having trouble with mines. |
No you don't. Shut up. _________________
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29. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Charlene is a freaking 11. Sure, it's about on the same level or easier than DC Hyper, Tension, Know Your Enemy, and Hillbilly Hardcore to us, but look at it from a newer player's perspective. If they have trouble with mines, Charlene is going to be hell for them to read. If they have trouble with constant runs, then Charlene will still be harder to them than the likes of Tension
Ratings should be based on the difficulty of passing a song, not scoring on it.
! should stay a 12. 24th bursts, crossovers in the 16ths, random quad, and a tricky stop with a roll followed by many mines. ! also takes more stamina than the 11s. _________________
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30. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Unless the changes are extremely necessary (D-Code and Fleadh Uncut Hard even though I doubt they'll change it), RoxoR shouldn't probably go around changing everything. People, like myself even, will always be frustrated about a few ratings but in all honesty it does provide a large range of difficulty for the player.
Birdie => On a Day Like Today
Queen of Light => Tension
Charlene => Monolith
VerTex => Bloodrush
Summer => V2
I believe someone and some point has all asked for a rerate on all of songs.
THey want the left side lower and the right side higher. I tend to agree that On a Day Like Today would work better as a 10 myself, but I believe in all honesty that broad difficulties (as long as their not TOO broad) help make the difficulty ladder easier to climb, that way you'll start to do 11s before you finish up the 10s and start to do 12s before finishing up the 11s. _________________
AA Bob wrote: | Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9. |
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31. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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This is exactly why I think Roxor needs a new system.
Don't rate songs at all. Just give all the data they already give on step count, and put length of song and Steps per minute. That way, you get a general (and also fairly accurate) idea of the overall difficulty of the song based on BPM and SPM.
All I hear when people say NO THIS SONG SHOULDN'T BE RERATED are the people that think it grows their e-peen to pass a 13/12 whatever. So they change Summer to a 12. Big deal. Does it REALLY MATTER? You can still say "I passed Summer". It's not that hard. It's not like rerating it is changing anything about the song, and if you say otherwise, you really care too much about how many 13s you have or haven't passed, and need to just stop caring about how many songs of a specific level you can clear.
If it bothers you that much that Summer is the only 13 you can pass, if it gets rerated, at least you can say you've passed another 12  _________________
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32. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Charlene is easier then all but two tens. It's absolutely ridiculous as an 11.
Three 11's and Seven 10's are harder than !, so make with that as you will.
Good to know Summer is staying a 13. D-Code can be a nine, but then so should Zodiac, Wanna Do, Fleadh and Tribal Style. _________________
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34. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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John Locke wrote: | Charlene is easier then all but two tens. It's absolutely ridiculous as an 11. |
To score on, sure. But foot ratings are for passing difficulty, not scoring difficulty. For a person of average skill level playing a song for the first time, the foot rating is a good way to tell whether or not they have a chance at passing it. The foot ratings aren't really all that useful to someone who can *** most songs with ease.
When I was just getting into ITG, I could pass most 10s fairly easily, but really struggled through Charlene. Its long runs, double steps, step jumps, and mines make it more tiring and harder to pass than most of the 10s, IMO. And as Tyrgannus said, it's not a big deal if the difficulty levels overlap slightly. _________________
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35. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Asymptote wrote: |
Andrew^2 wrote: | I have more trouble with Charlene than Determinator or Pandy I really think the mines are the difference in making it an 11 and that It deserves such a ranking because of newer players such as myself having trouble with mines. |
No you don't. Shut up. |
I fail Determinator near the End with 70ish%
I Fail Pandy with 40ish%
I fail Charlene about 5 seconds after mines come in..
Yes I Do. _________________
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36. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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When I knew Charlene was an 11, I was nervous when I decided to play it for the first time (before I'd passed any 11's and hardly any 10's), but once I got going, I didn't even come anywhere close to failing the song. Sure, the mines can be a bit tricky to read for players who aren't as skilled, but in my opinion, complex runs and twists found in songs such as Soapy Bubble and Know Your Enemy are just more likely to tire someone out and cause their life meter to fall to zero. Besides, Charlene is significantly less draining than most 10's, so that makes it easier to concentrate on dodging the mines and also greatly reduces the chances of giving up because the song felt too overwhelming.
Andrew^2 wrote: | I fail Determinator near the End with 70ish%
I Fail Pandy with 40ish%
I fail Charlene about 5 seconds after mines come in..
Yes I Do. |
C'mon, mines can't really be that bad, are they? In that case, you'd probably find Infection to be the hardest song in the entire game all just because its Expert steps have more mines than any other ITG stepchart. I hope you're being sarcastic. _________________
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37. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew^2 wrote: | Asymptote wrote: |
Andrew^2 wrote: | I have more trouble with Charlene than Determinator or Pandy I really think the mines are the difference in making it an 11 and that It deserves such a ranking because of newer players such as myself having trouble with mines. |
No you don't. Shut up. |
I fail Determinator near the End with 70ish%
I Fail Pandy with 40ish%
I fail Charlene about 5 seconds after mines come in..
Yes I Do. |
Then try harder. If you can get to the end of Determinator you shouldnt be failing from a couple stupid silly easy mines in Charlene. It's absolutely rediculous how much some people overrate mine difficulty. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are stretching things here a bit for the sole purpose of having an odd opinion. You don't suck that bad at mines.... nobody does if they you know, actually try. _________________
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38. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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#Infinity wrote: | I hope you're being sarcastic. |
He's just stretching out his opinion as far as he can so he can sound "different". either that or he's just plain full of shit.
John Locke wrote: | D-Code can be a nine, but then so should Zodiac, Wanna Do, Fleadh and Tribal Style. |
If ratings are based on scoring difficulty, indeed.... but I think it's pretty apparent that ratings are based on passing for the most part. Fleadh and Tribal can be tiring for people around that level, and Wanna Do similarly is a little fast. Either way though, I agree that those are certainly on the line. _________________
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39. Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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#Infinity wrote: |
D-Code --> 9
! --> 11
Summer ~Speedy Mix~ --> 12
Rumored:
Bloodrush --> 13
Reratings I want:
Birdie --> 8
On A Day Like Today --> 10
Charlene --> 10
Know Your Enemy --> 11
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Only having ITG1 to play on, I cant really say for !'s rerating. It looks like it should just fit fine as a easier 12.
Summer should stay 13.
D-code works as a 9.
Bloodrush should stay a 12, just a hard one.
Birdie should just be a 9, for the fact that all expert charts HAVE to be 9 and up.
On a Day like Today is hard, but not consistent enough for a 10 rating.
Charlene should stay as an introduction to 11s and mines.
Know Your Enemy, I'm not sure about. _________________
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