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180. PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok... I am starting to like this thread a bit now... everyone is trying to be at least a little more open then earlier. To answer a SLIGHTLY earlier question, I've seen people transfer from bar to no bar a lot and it seems that it TENDS to be easier for flat foot players but there are always those exceptions that have the leg strength to continue playing on their toes while playing no bar(and still FAing of course)
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181. PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost no one talked about ITG/DDR the entire last page...
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182. PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rely more on my feet and natural balance (or sometimes lack thereof) than the bar to get me through songs. When I do use the bar, I cannot play at all with anything more than a one-handed technique, my other hand still attempting to maintain my balance the old-fashioned feather duster way.

It works for me.

Another guy over here does absolutely nothing but full on "bar rape" and he gets much higher scores than me.

It works for him. I then acknowledge that he's a better scorer than me, then I go back to practicing Pandemonium.
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183. PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bar rape on hard songs and as a save effort if I am about to fail a song.
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184. PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dakota wrote:
Almost no one talked about ITG/DDR the entire last page...

If the turning point of a discussion on X is in the field of Y, then discussing Y is relevant to X.
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185. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My chauvanism makes all decisions equal in value. Therefore, the decision to not use the bar is equally valid as the decision to use the bar. So unless you can provide reason why non-descriptive rational theories aren't just chavanistic but are also wrong, I think this is where it ends.
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186. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I can do that, but I'm not sure I need to. What does your chauvinism say about banning the bar? Is that equally valid?
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187. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Locke wrote:
Dakota wrote:
Almost no one talked about ITG/DDR the entire last page...

If the turning point of a discussion on X is in the field of Y, then discussing Y is relevant to X.


You're right. But, in this case, X and Y have absolutely no correlation...and we're online, so it's twice as irrelevant.

But really, like I said before, there can't be a winner in this debate. The more you guys talk, the more you're beating the dead horse. Why can't we stand it if someone plays the way they want?
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188. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I can do that, but I'm not sure I need to. What does your chauvinism say about banning the bar? Is that equally valid?


Yes, although I'm sure it comes off as extreme, bizarre and contradictory to allow other peoples restrictions of behavior to be considered as valid as the behavior they are restricting. Oh well. At least in this instance my justification would be that the people running the tournament have declared themselves to be in charge of the rules, therefore the consequences of dissobeying the otherwise bizzare no-bar rule stand on their own, regardless of whether people choose to acknowledge them or otherwise.
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189. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dakota wrote:
You're right. But, in this case, X and Y have absolutely no correlation

Try rereading the discussion.

Let's try rephrasing my question Kilroy: Would a perfectly fair tournament ban use of the bar?
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190. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand what "fair" is entailed to mean.
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191. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kilroy(ZTC) wrote:
I don't understand what "fair" is entailed to mean.

A tournament in which the most likely person to win was the best player, the person most likely to come in second was the second best player, etc...and achieved at a higher rate than any other tournament.
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192. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well then no, a tournament that banned the use of the bar wouldn't be "fair". So there's obviously no reason not to bar from a pure competition standpoint, i'm just not sure that skill is neccessarily the primary focus of the game. People gamble all the time for fun. People play games that test both skill and luck. I'm not going to say that with a game that can be played skill determinately and a game that be be played less skill determinately that one way of playing is more legitimate than another, even if a very rule of the game when adopted randomizes results fundamentaly.
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193. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kilroy(ZTC) wrote:
Well then no, a tournament that banned the use of the bar wouldn't be "fair".

That's all I'm trying to argue.
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194. PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you ever consider competeing in a no-bar tournament?

Well, considering you already provided a condition under which you would in this thread, i'll count that as a yes answer and resign with that as my only point.
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