ITG foot ratings to DDR foot ratings

[Tyrgannus]

In regard to the comment about home players a few posts back, we still have to move our feet at the same speed and same exact way. The steps don't magically get more sparce or slower at home (unless you TRULY cheat)

I will admit that the arcade is harder for me, but not because the steps themselves are any harder (obviously). I find that songs I can SDG at home I get like 4 misses in the arcade. Call me a noob, but I've got to wonder why its that drastic, so yes, I'm going to pull the notorious bad pad card. I realize it is more impressive to score well in an arcade.

(Note: A home player notices it is more impressive to score in an arcade)

That being said, I think home version players shouldn't be segregated. We still move our feet the same speed.
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

[jammys]

[Resolute]

you....you cant really cheat in ddr.

unless you tickle the operator with a feather under the belly untill he passes out, take his keys, unlock free play, and have access to all the plastic yo-yos and gummy from in the arcade ticket prize area.

THEN you'd be cheating.
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[IHYD.Blake]

Would it be cheating if you hacked the .ini files in a dedicab?
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[DJBon2112]

Depends on what you change. Timing window, yes, but # or songs or something, no.
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[nekura]

Timing values aren't read from the INIs for ITG anyway.
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ITG Freak

[Synaesthesia]

[MaxX300 to the MATTimum]

That was the answer.

[Afrobolt.]

I think ddr's 10s give you less of a break than the itg 10s, I think if max300 were 30 seconds longer it would be 11 because of stamina issue, same with maxx and legend.

I think theres 4 songs that would fit 11 foot rating.

PSMO would be an 11 imo not a 12, if bloodrush is a 12 it has crossovers just as hard and its longer and more tiring so psmo 11 not 12.

The other is fascination maxx I mean really 400 bpm 8ths and theres parts difficult to read, definately fit for an 11 on itg.

Max period because of the 600 bpm end run.

and paranoia respect because the crossovers at 300 mixed with freezes are kind of confusing.
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stats.

[0rion]

[AA Bob]

[0rion]

You misunderstand. Not being forced to pay to play songs makes things easier to pass and learn, just as you said. Therefore you can say "Oh, such and such should be rated easier than what it is, because it didn't really take me that long to pass it. It's a lot easier to say something like that when you CAN disect a song in Training mode and play it 6 kajillion times (approximately) until you finally pass it in Arcade mode.

WITH far easier timing.

AND a more liberal lifebar.

Etc, etc.

In the arcades, you are punished more thoroughly for your mistakes on every level, and therefore an arcade player (who has had to face these trials) is a better judge of difficulty than a home version player, who has a significantly easier time passing and playing songs every step of the way.
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[Tyrgannus]

My post at the top of the page does not say that arcade is the same difficulty as home. I merely said that the foot movement is the same (does anyone want to argue that, seriously?)

- I completely agree that the timing windows are MUCH easier for DDR, though the ITG ones are fairly similar. That being said, arcade is still harder, just not by too much.

-I play hard pad so I will say your argument is not applicable as you yourself said. Honestly though, who is good on a soft pad? (not an argument, just curiosity) Oh, and I've seen people play arcade in socks giving them the stamina bonus you've talked about. Very gross, yes, but my point is that's not exclusive to home version.....if you're creepy I guess.

-Yes, arcades do limit your play due to the cost per play. That being said, wouldn't you then progress FASTER if you could play hours and hours a day without wasting money as opposed to 3 or 4 times in a set? More play = more experience. The only thing home version can't truly teach is arcade FA really.

- Adjustable lifebar is one of your better arguments but still only applies to people that want an ego boost. If I adjust the lifebar in any way, I adjust it to make it HARDER. However, I have no good argument about this because I probably do not represent the home version community accurately.


If you've read this thinking I'm flaming you, I'm not. You were very polite in your points and presented them respectfully and so did I (at least I think I did) My point is NOT that arcade and home are the same difficulty, my point merely is that home version people still need to be skilled to pass high end songs. Home players still need to practice there Tell jumps when playing Tell, they still need to focus for the 16 measure stream in Delirium, and they still need to muster the footspeed for the drills throughout Euphoria. Our feet do they same thing IF we indeed are not cheating in anyway.


P.S. Arcade has a bar, home players have crappy chairs and stools
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AA Bob wrote:

Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

[0rion]

[ihcw.stefank687]

[Asymptote]

[Asymptote]

[ihcw.stefank687]

I wasn't saying its easier... people just need to decide if its a fair trade off(can scores be compared on an equal basis). Nice, sensitive arcade pads with a bar and larger brackets. Very high quality hard hompads with smaller brackets. Or soft pads with no brackets and the possiblity of the pads sucking. Is it fair to consider these all the same? I think home version scores are fair(on ITG only obviously... ddr's windows are BS), most people don't want these scores posted along with the other ones due to the fact they can be cheated much more easily then an arcade.

[Da Bar]

[Tweek]