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Jewels
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100.  Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Tiza wrote: | | Disconnected Hyper has triples that go into runs, runs that all move your around the pads rather than drilling. FaxX's speed, apart from the bursts at the end, are all simple drills, and if not drills than fairly straightforward turns with two slower steps to let you find your place again. |
Disconnected Hyper only has simple triples and short runs (which don't require you to turn), and they're consistent. I don't really see how they're hard. You can compare the triples and runs to the end part of FAXX, which as lots of five note runs (which require you to turn between runs) followed by two longer and more complex runs.
Disconnected Hyper also gives you time for breaks when you're not doing triples or runs; you're either just stepping the very easy 8th streams or doing a few jumps. FAXX may give you breaks, but the steps are not consistent and are more difficult to read, and the steps and jumps section is harder than the simple jumps you get in DH.
FAXX offers much more than drills and runs at 400 bpm, so like I said, the only thing DH has over FAXX is mines, at least for me.
| Tiza wrote: | | Mostly because it's so damn offsync. Yeah, it's tough to PA, but it's not much worse than MaxX Unlimited. |
Well we'll see I guess, but I doubt anyone will be AAAing FAXX within the year. Unlimited may be hard with its subtle speed changes, but FAXX is worse with its inconsistent patterns and rhythms. |
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| 101. Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Tiza, in the Easiest 13 thread, wrote: | | Honestly, people who play Stepmania or home versions or can't even barely pass all the Expert steps should NOT be discussing how hard songs are. You can't appreciate a step until you can do it well. |
FaxX's run's aren't any longer than Disconnected Hyper's in terms of notes, except for the easy drills (i.e. LDLDUDUD, etc). Drills are EASY. Turns are not as hard as you think if you know what you're doing. We're not talking about how easy FaxX is to sightread, because I'll be the first to say that I got thoroughly fucked up in the turns the first time I passed FaxX. Turning between runs is easier than turning in runs, and you get a nice easy moment to set yourself up for the next turn.
If they were crossovers we're talking about, then I might give you some though, but turns are so much easier than most people think. The reason that most people think turns are so hard is that they're fledgling bar-rapers who still flail too much or are too slow to react quickly enough or to adjust themselves on the bar. Let go of one hand on the bar, and a turn is easy. Heck, you don't always need to let go if you're good enough.
FaxX gives you plenty of time for breaks. Just because they use offbeat gallops doesn't mean it's not a break. You have to think a little bit, but it's still not hard. And the step-jumps in the 400 section are only the slightest bit hard because of the reading speed. Step-jumps at that speed are boring when you could look at songs like Tell, Pandy, or Energizer.
So again, | Tiza, in the Easiest 13 thread, wrote: | | Honestly, people who play Stepmania or home versions or can't even barely pass all the Expert steps should NOT be discussing how hard songs are. You can't appreciate a step until you can do it well. |
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| 103. Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiza wrote: | | Honestly, people who play Stepmania or home versions or can't even barely pass all the Expert steps should NOT be discussing how hard songs are. |
Not all SM and home version players suck.
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| 104. Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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- I passed Disconnected Hyper first try.
- I failed FAXX first, second, and third try (though this was as an extra stage).
- I find Disconnected Hyper much easier than FAXX.
- FAXX requires more from the player (sight reading, odd gallops, step jumps, bursts of drills and runs, turning between runs).
- DH only has triples, short runs, and a few mines. |
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| 105. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Jewels wrote: | - I passed Disconnected Hyper first try.
- I failed FAXX first, second, and third try (though this was as an extra stage).
- I find Disconnected Hyper much easier than FAXX.
- FAXX requires more from the player (sight reading, odd gallops, step jumps, bursts of drills and runs, turning between runs).
- DH only has triples, short runs, and a few mines. |
About time someone has accurate information. |
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| 106. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Holy shit why does this thread still exist?
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| 107. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Let's face it.
Some people here are trying to say "DDR has some hard songs!" and others are saying "DDR is easy because ITG has a higher extreme".
FaxX might be the hardest DDR song, but there will always be a harder ITG song. It's how it was made.
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| 108. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jammys wrote: | Let's face it.
Some people here are trying to say "DDR has some hard songs!" and others are saying "DDR is easy because ITG has a higher extreme".
FaxX might be the hardest DDR song, but there will always be a harder ITG song. It's how it was made. |
Ah.
It's sad when people are so biased.
Face it. ITG and DDR and PIU all have their hard songs. It's all a matter of preference on what a person considers hard. If they suck in one area, that song is going to be hard, if they're good in one area, that song is going to be easy. New songs always need to be made and new difficulties need to be raised. You don't have to raise the number 3 points to make it harder, or lower it some points to make it easier.
Face it. DDR Extreme has been out forever, and people whored them to death, making them easy. People were not used to ITG when it came out, making it things hard again. It's the same thing. There is going to be a day soon where the ITG songs are easy just like the older DDR songs used to be. If Konami doesn't want to make the songs deathly hard, or just release a few, that's their choice. If ITG is going to make a horded (and an overkill at that) of 'hard' songs, then that's their choice. ITG isn't really meant to be a 'casual' dance game. They try to make a challenge, and that's the backbone of the fandom that exists. You'll get people calling DDR crap because of 'lack of difficulty', and that's fine. You'll get the DDR fans saying ITG is catering to a small majority and it's not their cup of tea, and that's fine.
It's a very split community, and that's great.
So, to underate is unfair. You guys are used to the songs. There is no comparision really, so to say this is that in ITG is wrong. |
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| 109. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheManator wrote: | | jammys wrote: | Let's face it.
Some people here are trying to say "DDR has some hard songs!" and others are saying "DDR is easy because ITG has a higher extreme".
FaxX might be the hardest DDR song, but there will always be a harder ITG song. It's how it was made. |
Ah.
It's sad when people are so biased.
Face it. ITG and DDR and PIU all have their hard songs. It's all a matter of preference on what a person considers hard. If they suck in one area, that song is going to be hard, if they're good in one area, that song is going to be easy. New songs always need to be made and new difficulties need to be raised. You don't have to raise the number 3 points to make it harder, or lower it some points to make it easier.
Face it. DDR Extreme has been out forever, and people whored them to death, making them easy. People were not used to ITG when it came out, making it things hard again. It's the same thing. There is going to be a day soon where the ITG songs are easy just like the older DDR songs used to be. |
Wait wait wait...so are you saying that DDR's hardest songs are roughly the same in difficulty as ITG's hardest, but people find DDR's easier because the game's been out for a while? Because if you are, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about.
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| 110. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, yes, people can be good if they play stepmania. There isn't any song on DDR or ITG that I can't AA besides the VERY end of Vertex^2. Seriously, FAXX isn't that hard, and the gallops and the WHOLE middle part is a HUGE break, so it would be a hard 11 I guarantee it. When KeeL gets on AIM, I'll even ask him.
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| 111. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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lol, this topic is dumb, everyone arguing with each other.
Listen, I've played Faxx on foot. I've AAAed nearly every 10 footer in DDR, and can 99% 12s in ITG. I honestly think Faxx is a 12. IMO it's VERY much harder than it looks. The first time I saw vids of it I thought "well gee, it doesn't look too bad" then I tried playing it and was rather surprised at how much harder it is than it looks. Keep in mind there's a bunch of "gimmicky" stuff that is done with the song that makes it harder. The constant BPM changes, sudden BPM freezes, and the fact that the whole end of the song is all green (which is stupid IMO). The 8th note bursts are twisty, and forcing your body to turn that fast isn't easy. The jumps put in the 400 BPM part with the regular quater notes is MUCH harder than it looks. And this song isn't easy to PA/FA either.
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| 112. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, everything that you said was correct, but still, it's overrated, I'd give it the hard/hardest 11.
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| 113. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Shalashaska wrote: | lol, this topic is dumb, everyone arguing with each other.
Listen, I've played Faxx on foot. I've AAAed nearly every 10 footer in DDR, and can 99% 12s in ITG. I honestly think Faxx is a 12. IMO it's VERY much harder than it looks. The first time I saw vids of it I thought "well gee, it doesn't look too bad" then I tried playing it and was rather surprised at how much harder it is than it looks. Keep in mind there's a bunch of "gimmicky" stuff that is done with the song that makes it harder. The constant BPM changes, sudden BPM freezes, and the fact that the whole end of the song is all green (which is stupid IMO). The 8th note bursts are twisty, and forcing your body to turn that fast isn't easy. The jumps put in the 400 BPM part with the regular quater notes is MUCH harder than it looks. And this song isn't easy to PA/FA either. |
Actually it's not green. That has been fixed.
And I do know what I am talking about. |
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| 114. Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| TheManator wrote: | | And I do know what I am talking about. |
Go try some 12s and 13s on ITG and then come back and tell me that it's the same difficulty level as DDR.
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| 115. Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I didn't mean that everyone who plays Stepmania sucks at playing in the arcade. I was saying that if you just play home versions and Stepmania and have only played in the arcade a few times, if at all, then you're in no position to judge how hard a song actually is.
I'm giving up on this thread. That whole colletive IQ thing I mentioned in a different thread.
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| 116. Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Tiza wrote: | | you're in no position to judge how hard a song actually is.... |
....in the arcade that is. which really isn't the point here, is it? the point is how hard the steps are, which are the same as home and in the arcade. so don't tell me that just because i have extremely limited access to an arcade, and that my pad is different from the one you're used to, that I'm in no position to judge step difficulty. thats just being offensive and wrong. christ, i'm sick of all the constant condescension towards home version players. I already respect the fact that arcade scores and home scores aren't usually compared, but frankly I'm sick of this "oh you're a home version player, so your opinion doesn't matter", "home version players can't judge difficulty", "nobody cares about home version players" bullshit. so why don't you do me, and the rest of us home-players a favor and STFU.
Hah, you have no clue just how fast your opinions would flip if all of a sudden you found your arcade access limited to maybe once every two months.
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| 117. Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| Asymptote wrote: | | Hah, you have no clue just how fast your opinions would flip if all of a sudden you found your arcade access limited to maybe once every two months. |
I've done it for 6.
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| 118. Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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I will admit that I can do every song on the controller, but no 11-13s on ITG, but I can still get in the 90's on most 10's. And I have played FAXX quite a few times on stepmania, and so it isn't that hard. I'm good at gallops, so maybe thats why...
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